Casinos Casino surveillance and how they detect you

[cyph]

Thanks. I will post more soon but waiting for message back from admin first.

 

[cyph]

Im not sure about limits to what info I can post.

 

[NoName]

Do you have this material in PDF and from which year is this written.
Is it up today information?

I ask as i come over a report from 2005 with many details about how casino detect AP and how they take action.
Maybe much has change - but in general i think is a good read.

If you have PDF file can you PM me and give me a download link - many thanks ...

Cheers

 

[admin]

Cyph you can post whatever you want. I send you a PM with more information on limitations.

 

[ybot]

A very complete piece of info about it.
Hard to accomplish by one or two casino employees.
And, mastering this skills takes a lot of time.
One of the best way to detect an AP is by a real AP working for a casino.

 

[cyph]

There are many consultants who first try to convince managers of the AP threats. Also government game regulators and equipment suppliers that must stick to regulations.

There are many legislative practises surrounding a gaming license.

Both the consultants and suppliers are trying to sell their wares and they usually say they are ex AP. I didnt hire or buy. I worked surveillance.

I have not even shared 1% of it. I have training videos, some software and other manuals. First I need to see what I can share without putting myself in hot water.

 

[cyph]

What I mean is some material is exclusive and can identify me. Some is industry standard. Combinations of parts might also identify me. Some other things I will keep for myself.

 

[ybot]

Cyph, to determine if a player is a dangerours AP or not you must analize his game. In fact, as you do not not what happens until you make a full study you should analize every regular player who steps your casino.
It has got a high expense.
It would be cheaper to banned any player who you suspect a threat.
They use to compare AP with predators. Casino survellance see players. APs see preys

 

[Really]

Surveillance does watch for APs, but they're bigger concern is dealer theft, collusion, crime, and mistakes.

 

[cyph]

Surveillance does watch for APs, but they're bigger concern is dealer theft, collusion, crime, and mistakes.

Correct. Collusion is far more common than AP. The easiest is for dealers to overpay. In our casino we had touch bet tables that were from Huxley. One of the selling points was no chance of cheating. Within a few days however we removed the table because players complained about accidental bets, bets not being registered and more. I haven't seen those screens used anywhere else.

 

[Really]

In the US, the touch bet screens will soon outnumber the live betting...that is if they don't already out number them. Stadium betting on a touch screen is the future.

 

[cyph]

I agree probably. Its all about optimized floor space, but some level of variety is needed for tourists and casual players. Very quickly the touch betting dominated roulette wheels. It's like a cross match between slots and table games.

 

[chips]

Based on floor space alone slots would be the biggest money spinner for casinos. Just think of everyone crammed neatly next to each other just pumping in coins. What a disaster for the player. I would love to meet someone who is actually beating them with AP or some kind of legal method. That's one thing I would easily pay for if it really worked on a wide range of machines, jackpots or whatever. Cant imagine anyone selling it if it worked. And cant imagine it would work for long before the casinos noticed.

I once saw a transaction log script like a grocery store docket that came from a slot machine. The tech probably forgot to take it with him. It was a log for about a month ad it had something like $500,000 pumped into it. Then the casino probably earned $20,000 it just a month. A small square of floor space and not a very popular machine either. That was years ago so it would probably be double in today's money.

 

[ybot]

Correct. Collusion is far more common than AP. The easiest is for dealers to overpay. In our casino we had touch bet tables that were from Huxley. One of the selling points was no chance of cheating. Within a few days however we removed the table because players complained about accidental bets, bets not being registered and more. I haven't seen those screens used anywhere else.

I know security office pay more attention to dealers and cashiers than players.
In most places I know, security company belongs to a different owner from other Casino sections.