Roulette Hidden variables/conditions

ybot

Member
In this job we do not end our learnong.
At the beginning you discover physical variables working that you did not know. But, they were widespread for hard-boiled APs
The same thing might happen to a experienced AP who fails at his predictions or things going wrong, we count huge negative or positive variability(+/-2,5 sd) at our game too.

The riddle is to detect a hidden condition you had not notice before.

You must use you physics skills and math tools.This was a general statement, the hard part is to develop it and do it well

regrds
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chips

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It's nice to see some logic again. With roulette there are a lot of variables and I know its not an unbeatable game. I played a bit of visual ballistics before with success. I think if you just spend time to get the better wheels, then winning isnt so hard at all. It is more complicated or even impossible for other wheels.
 

ybot

Member
Main variables are the ones that keep the wheel the same way as I tracked it.
Ball, direction, sometimes orbits,
Barometric pressure matters when you need specific orbits.
There are others tips.
Math matters as physics to reach a decition. It is not hard to fool ourselves
 

cyph

Trusted Member
Physics is the understanding of the problem. The mathematics is the verification.

I didn't start as a player myself but I was exposed to lots of what players do, with the focus more on how to know an AP from the typical patron. I'm no longer in the business so I'm dumping loads of the information here although there are some parts I'm keeping to myself. Anyone would if they were me. Ybot if you are beating a game you would want to protect the information that allows you to do it.

I'm not decided on what game is best but roulette is one of the better options. There's a lot of physics that goes into the wheels. Lots of things that can go wrong and be exploited.

Speaking of barometric pressure, I have seen roulette players with large watches that measure this, frequently checking it.
 

ybot

Member
Cyph
very few AP succeed in his work.
It is a job for a very few pro players, the others sink
BP takes a lot of time to decide whether it matters.
Eventhough you knew a lot about it, there are many many thing you ignore
 

cyph

Trusted Member
I agree few succeed. I have especially seen many attempt vb. They glare at the wheel until the ball slows, and then flip a chip onto a number as late as possible. It is very easy for surveillance to see. The ones that have such obvious behavior are usually the ones we ended up ignoring because they dont know what they're doing. Finding the true APs is quite difficult for any game.
 
Main variables are the ones that keep the wheel the same way as I tracked it.
Ball, direction, sometimes orbits,
Barometric pressure matters when you need specific orbits.
There are others tips.
Math matters as physics to reach a decition. It is not hard to fool ourselves
You foregoth one and i think main moment - main variable - type how ball go I himself throw ball and not know in which type i throved...To notice how that do other is even more hard , but that is main thing. not know that - can play only statisticaly and have pure advantage....
 

ybot

Member
Eyes in the sky, dealers and pitbosses can easily detect a VB player. Playing at the last moments(and win) draw attention.
Bebediktus, too many variables turn almost impossible a accurate and cerified(math)prediction.
Cyph, I guess, you have worked inside a casino. I apologize if I missed what I guessed
 
Playing at the last moments(and win) draw attention.
Maybe draw. but soluttion is that usually we not need much such wins ( I talk about max table bets ) when you bet minimal - nobody will pay attenttion when you bet. And at all almoust all possible to hide. First things are first - first have ability to win at all , and only then think how that to hide ... :)
 

ybot

Member
So, how do you detect a hidden condition working?

This condition could be unoticed. We do not see changes but, variability goes to its extreme.
 
So, how do you detect a hidden condition working?
About which condittions you concrete talk ?
Really are some reasons which do that will be one or other final result . We usually cant point exact, which was reason, but usually we even not need. We can simply follow result without thinking why that is....
If you will compare charts of final results you can see that they are slightly diferent say in the morning and in the evening. But knowing reason why they are diferent will not get you much benefit, but if you will do mistake in determing reason and then in other day will use that wron reason for predicting something - you can get much more damage....
 

ybot

Member
For instance, your data was taken mainly with 1015 barometric pressure.
Next week, BP drops to 1002, and, data vary
You must find out if this variability responds to regular fluctuation or a physical modification
 

ybot

Member
I have seen some of your posts. You write as a experienced book writer.
AP detection is not hard to accomplish , done for proper people.
I would not utter the word cheating when a casino is trying to understand a player´s winings.
APs are warned of casino survelliance, many of us were probably barred from several places.
Casino games have many modalities to take advantage.
 

cyph

Trusted Member
I worked in surveillance. Those posts are straight out of a training manual to help detect and monitor APs. A well organized team is not easy to notice but it depends on the game and what the team is doing.
 
For instance, your data was taken mainly with 1015 barometric pressure.
Next week, BP drops to 1002, and, data vary
Ok that can be, but here is like stick with two edges. I wil say one simple example say you have 1000 units data 500 on one condittions and 500 on other condittions. You think that condittions very efect to result and because of that separate results so instead 1000 have 500 . In 500 much biger efect of randomnes so you do decission which is efected with randomness, then go to play in exactly the same condittions and lost. After lost simply for interest look which decission you will do if look to all data 1000 and you see that from 1000 data decission will be winer in play no matter that in it are bouth condittions...
 

ybot

Member
I worked in surveillance. Those posts are straight out of a training manual to help detect and monitor APs. A well organized team is not easy to notice but it depends on the game and what the team is doing.
Surveillance use to try to explain what happened after an AP won too much.
They want to find out the precise way AP worked.
They do not tell anyone what really happened, sometimes, even their main bosses. Think a situation when an AP has been at the same location for long and "eyes in the sky" did not notice a consistent winner. In some places you can work below the radar for long.

It is easier to charge an AP as a cheater.
 

cyph

Trusted Member
Every casino and table has a reporting threshold so problem tables are easily known and reviewed if necessary. There are still simple ways to dodge detection not in any material I have but I wont go into those.
 

ybot

Member
There are basic tips to know it. First, you should know if this regular or pro player wins due to random luck or he does another things and wins.
The mandatory fact is that this player won. Most of these players do not win or win small ammounts
 
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